Due to rights issues, the audio of this interview is not available online. Please contact San Diego State University, Special Collections and Archives if you wish to be granted access to the original audio. Tom Fudge, on the KPBS radio show These Days, interviews Larry McCaffery and Raymond Federman about "the novel" and whether it is dying. The interview begins with a discussion of Mark Danielewski’s recently published novel House of Leaves and how it is placed in the history of the novel. The history of the novel and its place in 19th century culture is briefly discussed. The interview moves to Federman’s novel Double or Nothing. The three discuss the idea of the hypertext novel. After Federman reads a brief bit from his novel Take It or Leave It (the precise page can not be listed as the novel has no page numbers) the interview concludes with a discussion of the future of books on the internet and what possibilities this entails. During the course of the interview Fudge answers two callers.