Larry McCaffery meets Ron Sukenick at his house in Boulder. Their discussion covers the current state of post-modernist literature and whether it still has anything to say. Much of the discussion revolves around a recent article in which McCaffery posited a return to modernism, an idea that Sukenick firmly disagrees with. Sukenick laments the current state of discourse in the field, giving several notable examples of public disagreements between people currently working in Postmodernism. Sukenick spends a considerable amount of the interview discussing rhetoric and its use in literature, its history in literature and how it affects not only what people write but how they write it. An edited version of the interview is published on pages 227 to 250 of Musing the Mosaic: Approaches to Ronald Sukenick, Matthew Roberson ed., State University of New York Press, 2003.